I would guess with a number that low your gun would be from around 1919 to 1922, but I've never seen a published serial number list for Folsom Bakers. For a while I owned a 30-inch Batavia Leader 12-gauge, 149xxF, that had 3-inch chambers, but I doubt it left the factory that way!! Folsom-made Baker guns normally have an F before or after the serial number. In the very last Baker ads that I've found in old sporting magazines from April and May 1928, and October 1929, Folsom also offered a 410-bore Batavia Leader, though I've never seen one. Folsom-made Baker guns normally have an F before or after the serial number. In the very last Baker ads that I've found in old sporting magazines from April and May 1928, and October 1929, Folsom also offered a 410-bore Batavia Leader, though I've never seen one.
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Post subject: Need Info on a Baker Damascus Double Barrel w/ low number
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I'm looking for any info I could get on a Baker Damascus Double Barrel w/ Serial #8XX. The gentleman I acquired it from had a paper in case stating it was a 'Baker Gold Medallion' but I haven't been able to find any info by doing searches. I'm an extreme newbie when it comes to knowledge but the shotgun looks to me to be in really nice condition with no scratches or dings on the stock, forearm or metal. The engravings are strong and don't show any wear. I would really appreciate any info/opinions people can offer. Thank you. [url][url=http://www.freeimagehosting.net/19yy2][/url][/url]
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Looked under all the Baker Gun & Forging Company model names listings and could find no 'GOLD MEDALLION' Did find the following: MODELS A & B, MODEL C BOXLOCK (ALSO CALLED BATAVIA HAMMERLESS), DELUXE EXPERT,L.PARAGON PIGEON, BAKER GUN CO MODEL, BATAVIA LEADER, BATAVIA SPECIAL, MODELS R & S BATAVIA DAMASCUS.BLACK BEAUTY and just plain HAMMER GUNS. Serial number (really need entire number) put DOM somewhere in the late 1800s.
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Thanks, Ned. It is 811
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It's a Paragon. Is it marked 'Gold Medallion'? Information here http://www.picturetrail.com/sfx/album/view/17434920 and http://www.bakercollectors.com/ You might post your images here http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubb .. d=1&page=1 Researcher and Daryl Hallquist are the Baker experts there
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Thanks, I will check out those links and try posting there. The only words engraved on it is 'Baker Gun Co' and the serial number along with 3 initials on trigger guard.
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My reference 'The Breech Loading Shotgun In America, 1860 to 1940' list three makers named Baker, two American and one English. Of course an English made gun will have English proof marks on the bottom of the barrels. The makers are: W.H. Baker & Co who was located at 20 Walton Street Syracuse,NY from 1878 to 1880; Baker Gun & Forging Company who operated as Syracuse Forging & Gun Co from 1878 to 1890 and Baker Gun & Forging from 1890 to 1919. The English maker was named Fredrick Thomas Baker was located at various addresses in London England from 1858 to 1898 and later. In the reference, there is a section marked OBSERVED SPECIMENS OF BAKER SHOTGUNS and couple have the markings BAKER GUN CO but on the frame only, There is mention of a model number (MODEL 1897) and the serial number marked on the trigger guard on one hammer double.
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Baker Double Barrel Shotguns Serial Number List 1 - 2447 * 1880 to 1885 2448 - 4104 * 1886 4105 - 7003 * 1887 .
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Joined: Sun Dec 09, 2007 11:12 am Posts: 4711 Location: WA/AK
What Baker guns does that serial number list apply to? W.H. Baker was making his trigger-break hammer double and three-barrel guns in Lisle, New York, in 1876 and then Syracuse, New York, by 1877, as W.H. Baker & Co. By 1879 the magazine ads show L.C. Smith as being the dominant partner as L.C. Smith maker of Baker Pat'd Gun. Meanwhile William H. Baker leaves and forms another gun company with some other members of the Smith family and the Livermores down in Ithaca, New York, using water power from Fall Creek, and making a new Baker designed hammer gun with a conventional top-lever -- Ithaca Gun Co. Meanwhile, William H. Baker's brother Dr. Ellis Baker has a company up in Syracuse called the Syracuse Forging and Gun Co. making an A.C. McFarland patented trigger-plate action hammer gun called the 'New Baker' and by 1887 W.H. Baker is back in Syracuse as plant superintendant for his brother. In 1888 Syracuse Forging and Gun Co. burns and they decide to relocate to Batavia, New York. By this time W.H. Baker is ill with TB and Ellis brings in Frank A. Hollenbeck to be plant superintendant. The companies name is soon changed to Baker Gun and Forging Co. and the 'New Baker' is changed from being underbolted to being bolted by a wedge thru a rib extension. Frank A. Hollenbeck is granted three double gun patents while he is in Batavia and two are assigned to the Baker Gun & Forging Co. I have now seen an early B-Grade with these three patent dates, but most hammerless Bakers I’ve looked at don’t have any patent dates on them. Even though the company's name on their catalogues and letterheads is Baker Gun & Forging Co., the hammerless guns are most always marked Baker Gun Co. By 1893 Hollenbeck leaves to form his Syracuse Arms Co. Baker Gun & Forging Co. continues on through several management shakeups building both their graded hammerless guns with the hammer-block safety and their lower priced Batavia line without. These guns are offered in 10-, 12-, and 16-gauge. By 1919 Baker dumps the gun part of the business on one of the biggest importers and manufacturers of low-priced guns, H&D Folsom of New York City with their factory in Norwich, Conn. H&D Folsom add 20-gauges to the Baker line and continue to offer Baker guns up to at least 1929. In early 1930 H&D Folsom sell their lower-priced Crescent Fire Arms Co. gun business to Savage-Stevens, and Baker seems to just disappear. Savage-Stevens combined Crescent with their recently acquired Davis-Warner Gun Co. as Crescent-Davis and continue to make guns in Norwich thru the first half of the 1930s. The gun pictured at the start of this thread is a Paragon Grade. According to the article on Baker Guns in the Guns Illustrated 1997 by Hallquist & Hardin, the Paragon was added to the line in 1894, and serial numbers were from 1 to 1200. It seems each series of Baker hammerless doubles had their own serial number blocks -- The Paragons and higher one block, A & B grades another block, R & S grades in another block, Black Beauty and Black Beauty Special in another block
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I have a Baker Batavia Special 12 gauge side-by-side hammer-less shotgun with serial number 159345. Also, under the fore-end or fore-stock are the initals SH. Any help on the range of years and location of production I'd appreciate it. Thanks
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Joined: Wed Dec 24, 2008 10:42 pm Posts: 3773
Are you sure that you are reading that serial number correctly? According to the serial number-year made tables I have. the serial numbers for the Baker Batavia Special only go up to number 152,200 made in 1915.
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Joined: Sun Dec 09, 2007 11:12 am Posts: 4711 Location: WA/AK
According to the same Hardin & Hallquist serial number chronology I referenced above, Batavia Special/Damascus/Ejector serial numbers went up to 161000 in 1916.
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Well, this is confusing to me. I have a model Batavia Damascus #250xxx.
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